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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2017, 10:24:08 AM »

Great wrestler I wonder how he will do once he puts some weight on.
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2017, 03:05:09 PM »

The in state recruits are definitely not getting the majority of the money.  All in state recruits tuition is half the price of out of state.  If an in state recruit gets a 5% scholarship and an out of state gets a 50% still less expensive for the in state recruit.  That is why it is so important to keep your in state talent. 

Do the 9.9 scholarships take that into account? Is it a dollar thing or number of scholarships thing? If it were a dollar amount, wouldn't we be spending our $ on mostly in-state, so we could get all the studs for less?
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2017, 03:55:05 PM »

The in state recruits are definitely not getting the majority of the money.  All in state recruits tuition is half the price of out of state.  If an in state recruit gets a 5% scholarship and an out of state gets a 50% still less expensive for the in state recruit.  That is why it is so important to keep your in state talent. 

Do the 9.9 scholarships take that into account? Is it a dollar thing or number of scholarships thing? If it were a dollar amount, wouldn't we be spending our $ on mostly in-state, so we could get all the studs for less?

The dollar amount isn't a factor, only the percentage. Making things even more difficult, if a kid takes any percentage, then most of the money he receives from other sources counts toward the wrestling scholarship limit, too... i.e. If a kid is offered 25% scholarship for wrestling and has other scholarships worth, say, 50%, then it would count as .75 out of the wrestling team's 9.9 scholarships, even though only .25 is a wrestling scholarship.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2017, 08:49:02 PM »

Mr Clark I have a son going to school on a baseball scholarship so this has an interest to me. He was offered "scholarships" of different values from 10 different schools. D1, D2, and D3. We visited 7 out of the 10.  I came to find out every single school has different "rules" on how they award scholarships, But every D1 and D2 (D3 can only give academic) would offer a % of athletic and then some academic on top of that. Everyone told us it was because they only have X amount of athletic scholarships available so they give academic on top of that so it does not count toward the scholarship "count".  Almost all D1 schools said they give academic money based on your GPA while in college. (example- If you carry a 3.0 GPA you might get $1000 per year, $3.5 GPA $5000 per year, 1 D1 school said for a 4.0 GPA they give $10,000 per year)  I am not 100% positive but unless UW is using there own rules I don't believe that academic money goes toward the total "9.9 count". If it does it would not make any sense to "recruit" smart kids. Schools would just recruit the best wrestlers and divide up the 9.9.
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2017, 12:04:36 AM »

Mr Clark I have a son going to school on a baseball scholarship so this has an interest to me. He was offered "scholarships" of different values from 10 different schools. D1, D2, and D3. We visited 7 out of the 10.  I came to find out every single school has different "rules" on how they award scholarships, But every D1 and D2 (D3 can only give academic) would offer a % of athletic and then some academic on top of that. Everyone told us it was because they only have X amount of athletic scholarships available so they give academic on top of that so it does not count toward the scholarship "count".  Almost all D1 schools said they give academic money based on your GPA while in college. (example- If you carry a 3.0 GPA you might get $1000 per year, $3.5 GPA $5000 per year, 1 D1 school said for a 4.0 GPA they give $10,000 per year)  I am not 100% positive but unless UW is using there own rules I don't believe that academic money goes toward the total "9.9 count". If it does it would not make any sense to "recruit" smart kids. Schools would just recruit the best wrestlers and divide up the 9.9.
 

There are indeed some exemptions, particularly when the athletic aid is offered to all students based on academic achievement (i.e. If all incoming freshmen with a 3.5 GPA get $5,000 off their tuition would not count toward the 9.9 limit.), but the UW doesn't offer such.
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2017, 05:11:36 PM »

So your saying that because UW does not offer it to every student on campus it has to count against the 9.9? If UW has to count anything besides "athletic scholarships" (and again I don't know if they do or don't) toward there 9.9 then that would be 100% the reason why they are not able to compete in recruiting with schools like Penn St and Iowa. I can't believe that is the case because if it were, just go out and get the best wrestlers you can. The write up on one incoming UW recruit I read was between athletic and academic he said he was getting just under 50%. Why would they even bother giving him Academic? Just give him the "just under 50%" out of the 9.9 right?
 I do know some schools work like this. If you get say 50% athletic which adds up to $10,000 per year and you receive a ( booster club, academic, etc.) scholarship some schools make you give that to the admissions office to off set the $10,000 athletic scholarship. But it still only counts as 50% toward the 9.9.   
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2017, 09:05:37 PM »

Eric Barnett, from Hortonville, going to U.N.C.  Flo has him ranked #3 in the nation at 113#.

I have it on pretty good authority that Barnett's decision was based on the high quality of wrestling partners he'd have as a lightweight there (Ramos/Coleman).

So, to take care of everything else in the normal chain of discussion.... Yes, it's Barry Davis's fault. He would be that partner if he wasn't so old. Ruschell & Brandvold are too big. On the other hand, Askren isn't that lightweight either. I guess we blame Barry for Tom Clum & Tyler Graff not staying and training at the Badger RTC? That feels like about right.
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2017, 09:35:53 PM »

Eric Barnett, from Hortonville, going to U.N.C.  Flo has him ranked #3 in the nation at 113#.

I have it on pretty good authority that Barnett's decision was based on the high quality of wrestling partners he'd have as a lightweight there (Ramos/Coleman).

So, to take care of everything else in the normal chain of discussion.... Yes, it's Barry Davis's fault. He would be that partner if he wasn't so old. Ruschell & Brandvold are too big. On the other hand, Askren isn't that lightweight either. I guess we blame Barry for Tom Clum & Tyler Graff not staying and training at the Badger RTC? That feels like about right.


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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2017, 10:23:58 PM »

Eric Barnett, from Hortonville, going to U.N.C.  Flo has him ranked #3 in the nation at 113#.

I have it on pretty good authority that Barnett's decision was based on the high quality of wrestling partners he'd have as a lightweight there (Ramos/Coleman).

So, to take care of everything else in the normal chain of discussion.... Yes, it's Barry Davis's fault. He would be that partner if he wasn't so old. Ruschell & Brandvold are too big. On the other hand, Askren isn't that lightweight either. I guess we blame Barry for Tom Clum & Tyler Graff not staying and training at the Badger RTC? That feels like about right.

If that doesn't work, we can always blame him for Ryan Taylor's career ending injuries.
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2017, 09:03:40 AM »

That was a huge loss. Cripes I liked the way RT rassled. One tough break for Bucky and a heckuva nice young man. Often as I P&M about the Badger "style" not being as aggressive, I have ro remember we've had some very aggressive wrestlers. Sure wasn't just Donny. I still love watching Graff. Slicker 'n spit.
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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 12:11:16 AM »

That was a huge loss. Cripes I liked the way RT rassled. One tough break for Bucky and a heckuva nice young man. Often as I P&M about the Badger "style" not being as aggressive, I have ro remember we've had some very aggressive wrestlers. Sure wasn't just Donny. I still love watching Graff. Slicker 'n spit.

I think we are in the same boat,,,,I p@m often about the badgers but yet there has been several guys I really enjoyed watching.

Howe.....I know, I know....but man talk about getting on the head and wearing someone down
RT....additude and I loved it.....I remember watching him in high school also and had that "it" factor
Graff.....slicker than any oil spill
Clum,,,,,just fun
Herbst,,,,,,was a pinner and it could happen at any time
Medbury.....can anyone say legs?

I think for the most part the ones I mentioned were afraid of going out and mixing it up in the aggressive way I think some expect.

I know I have left many off the list, just ones in the past decade that I would go out of my way to watch and re-watch there matches!!!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 07:53:22 AM »

T Turner wasn't the pinner, nor the slickster. He wrestled like a badger. Just tough and kept it coming. I was sure screaming for him in his last NCAA match.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 10:53:03 AM »

That was a huge loss. Cripes I liked the way RT rassled. One tough break for Bucky and a heckuva nice young man. Often as I P&M about the Badger "style" not being as aggressive, I have ro remember we've had some very aggressive wrestlers. Sure wasn't just Donny. I still love watching Graff. Slicker 'n spit.

I think we are in the same boat,,,,I p@m often about the badgers but yet there has been several guys I really enjoyed watching.

Howe.....I know, I know....but man talk about getting on the head and wearing someone down
RT....additude and I loved it.....I remember watching him in high school also and had that "it" factor
Graff.....slicker than any oil spill
Clum,,,,,just fun
Herbst,,,,,,was a pinner and it could happen at any time
Medbury.....can anyone say legs?

I think for the most part the ones I mentioned were afraid of going out and mixing it up in the aggressive way I think some expect.

I know I have left many off the list, just ones in the past decade that I would go out of my way to watch and re-watch there matches!!!!!!

I can't believe you left Kyle Ruschell off the list! And the Blacks!
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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 07:59:24 AM »

Eric Barnett, from Hortonville, going to U.N.C.  Flo has him ranked #3 in the nation at 113#.

I have it on pretty good authority that Barnett's decision was based on the high quality of wrestling partners he'd have as a lightweight there (Ramos/Coleman).

So, to take care of everything else in the normal chain of discussion.... Yes, it's Barry Davis's fault. He would be that partner if he wasn't so old. Ruschell & Brandvold are too big. On the other hand, Askren isn't that lightweight either. I guess we blame Barry for Tom Clum & Tyler Graff not staying and training at the Badger RTC? That feels like about right.

If that doesn't work, we can always blame him for Ryan Taylor's career ending injuries.

I hope you Barry lovers don't forget to buy him flowers and chocolate for Valentine's day
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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 07:59:24 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 11:16:08 AM »

That was a huge loss. Cripes I liked the way RT rassled. One tough break for Bucky and a heckuva nice young man. Often as I P&M about the Badger "style" not being as aggressive, I have ro remember we've had some very aggressive wrestlers. Sure wasn't just Donny. I still love watching Graff. Slicker 'n spit.

I think we are in the same boat,,,,I p@m often about the badgers but yet there has been several guys I really enjoyed watching.

Howe.....I know, I know....but man talk about getting on the head and wearing someone down
RT....additude and I loved it.....I remember watching him in high school also and had that "it" factor
Graff.....slicker than any oil spill
Clum,,,,,just fun
Herbst,,,,,,was a pinner and it could happen at any time
Medbury.....can anyone say legs?

I think for the most part the ones I mentioned were afraid of going out and mixing it up in the aggressive way I think some expect.

I know I have left many off the list, just ones in the past decade that I would go out of my way to watch and re-watch there matches!!!!!!

I can't believe you left Kyle Ruschell off the list! And the Blacks!

Good point. Ruschell really represented. Blacks were so fun to watch. Great scramblers.
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