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Question: Who's the best club in Wisconsin?
AWA - 24 (32.9%)
Ringers - 8 (11%)
Advance - 8 (11%)
RT Elite - 2 (2.7%)
Xfactor - 5 (6.8%)
Crass Trainer - 2 (2.7%)
other - 24 (32.9%)
Total Voters: 73

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« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2017, 04:29:31 PM »

2017 state D1 championship matches
106 aviators/Xfactor vs Advanced/Ringers
113 Advanced vs world gold
120 AWA vs Advanced
126 Ringers vs Aviators
132 Advanced vs AWA
138 Crass vs Advanced
145 Advanced vs LAW
152 AWA vs higher level
160 Advanced vs no club
170 Xfactor vs AWA
182 Advanced vs used be Advanced
195 combat vs AWA
220 Ringers vs no club
Hwt kangaroo vs AWA
Also the 2 no clubs doesn't mean they don't train at a club it's just not listed. So I can't say if they do or don't.
D2 and D3?
Lol dude give me a chance I am in meetings and trying to get data. Gheeez!!!
Lol just curious. Take your time.
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« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2017, 04:55:43 PM »

2017 state D1 championship matches
106 aviators/Xfactor vs Advanced/Ringers
113 Advanced vs world gold
120 AWA vs Advanced
126 Ringers vs Aviators
132 Advanced vs AWA
138 Crass vs Advanced
145 Advanced vs LAW
152 AWA vs higher level
160 Advanced vs no club
170 Xfactor vs AWA
182 Advanced vs used be Advanced
195 combat vs AWA
220 Ringers vs no club
Hwt kangaroo vs AWA
Also the 2 no clubs doesn't mean they don't train at a club it's just not listed. So I can't say if they do or don't.
D2 and D3?
Lol dude give me a chance I am in meetings and trying to get data. Gheeez!!!
Lol just curious. Take your time.

Come on man...we don't have time for your meeting excuse...just get it done.
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« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2017, 05:07:40 PM »

of course there will be exceptions in D2 and D3.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2017, 05:18:04 PM »

I think the question of the best club can be settled by looking at how many Hodge trophy winners have come from each club. 

Ringers is by far the best.
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« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2017, 05:56:48 PM »

A better way to settle this might be to have a Club team dual meet tournament.  It can be called the W Cup!  This also might be a another option to the junior duals; less travel, less expense but still getting in some more freestyle and greco matches.
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« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2017, 06:09:03 PM »

A better way to settle this might be to have a Club team dual meet tournament.  It can be called the W Cup!  This also might be a another option to the junior duals; less travel, less expense but still getting in some more freestyle and greco matches.
I like your thinking. Settle it on the mat.
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« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2017, 06:32:48 PM »

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all kidding aside, lets just all admit, if you want to be a state champion, you need to join a club!

Not true at all.......speaking from experience.


Not even close to true, and I also am speaking from experience!!! I can sight many examples



Can you give many examples from the last 5 years?

Off the top of my head:
Colin Baine - Wausau West HS- 2x D1 champ '12 & '13 - Never wrestled freestyle/greco
Tyler Schmidt - Merrill HS - 2x D1 Champ '13 & '14 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
Mason Reinhardt - Merrill HS - D1 champ '15 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
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« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2017, 06:43:55 PM »

I like the idea of having an inter-State Wrestling School dual meet tournament. What a great event that would be? Great way to showcase the talent in the State to everyone from a dual perspective. I know there are dual meet tournaments during the Folkstyle season but not during the Freestyle/Greco season. Wasn't this organized years ago? I remember seeing videos on the old BadgerStateWrestling site between Ringers and AWA. Whatever happened to that?
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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »

Quote from: leg turk on Today at 10:07:47 AM
all kidding aside, lets just all admit, if you want to be a state champion, you need to join a club!

Not true at all.......speaking from experience.


Not even close to true, and I also am speaking from experience!!! I can sight many examples



Can you give many examples from the last 5 years?

Off the top of my head:
Colin Baine - Wausau West HS- 2x D1 champ '12 & '13 - Never wrestled freestyle/greco
Tyler Schmidt - Merrill HS - 2x D1 Champ '13 & '14 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
Mason Reinhardt - Merrill HS - D1 champ '15 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
I personally would count Northern Exposure, it's great coaching and more mat time.
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2017, 08:27:25 PM »

2017 D2 state championship matches.
106 Xfactor vs PinNicle
113 no club vs Xfactor
120 Xfactor vs no info
126 combat vs AWA
132 PinNicle vs Advanced
138 aviators/Xfactor vs combat
145 no club vs Xfactor
152 law vs no club
160 no club vs kangaroo
170 no club vs title town
182 no vs no
195 no vs no
220 law vs no
Hwt title town vs no
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« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2017, 09:03:52 PM »

Quote from: leg turk on Today at 10:07:47 AM
all kidding aside, lets just all admit, if you want to be a state champion, you need to join a club!

Not true at all.......speaking from experience.


Not even close to true, and I also am speaking from experience!!! I can sight many examples



Can you give many examples from the last 5 years?

Off the top of my head:
Colin Baine - Wausau West HS- 2x D1 champ '12 & '13 - Never wrestled freestyle/greco
Tyler Schmidt - Merrill HS - 2x D1 Champ '13 & '14 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
Mason Reinhardt - Merrill HS - D1 champ '15 - If you don't count Northern Exposure for Greco as a club
I personally would count Northern Exposure, it's great coaching and more mat time.

Not a club, doesn't cost, you don't have to spend 1000 of dollars
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« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2017, 11:45:07 AM »

2017 D2 state championship matches.
106 Xfactor vs PinNicle
113 no club vs Xfactor
120 Xfactor vs no info
126 combat vs AWA
132 PinNicle vs Advanced
138 aviators/Xfactor vs combat
145 no club vs Xfactor
152 law vs no club
160 no club vs kangaroo
170 no club vs title town
182 no vs no
195 no vs no
220 law vs no
Hwt title town vs no
I'm guessing D3 will be similar. So we can conclude you obviously don't have to be part of a club to be a champ. I'm sure it obviously would help.
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« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2017, 01:32:52 PM »

2017 D2 state championship matches.
106 Xfactor vs PinNicle
113 no club vs Xfactor
120 Xfactor vs no info
126 combat vs AWA
132 PinNicle vs Advanced
138 aviators/Xfactor vs combat
145 no club vs Xfactor
152 law vs no club
160 no club vs kangaroo
170 no club vs title town
182 no vs no
195 no vs no
220 law vs no
Hwt title town vs no
I'm guessing D3 will be similar. So we can conclude you obviously don't have to be part of a club to be a champ. I'm sure it obviously would help.
Yes at D2 or D3 Not D1.
D1 clearly shows you need to be in a club, and the D2 & D3 numbers are up from last year and the previous year so you can see they are following the D1 trend. When I first started tracking this back in 2013 the D1 numbers were about 70% and now its 93%, and D2 was about 25% and now its about 60%. So based on projections if you have a younger wrestler at home I would say in the future it will be very unlikely to win state without attending a wrestling club. I would like to add that I feel its just as important to be part of a good MS&HS program. I also see a lot of very talented club kids that don't maintain or increase there ability's because they are not in the right HS room. To be a state finalist (especially at D1) it takes an army of support and a talented and motivated wrestler.
I think sports are coached and played on trends more then history, we will bank the trends.
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« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2017, 02:36:14 PM »

No prerequisite for greatness. I sure have seen some good wrestlers work their way to becoming great wrestlers through clubs, though. I doubt they spent thousands; though the travel can be prohibitive. Then again, many of those clubs offer more travel and opportunity to wrestle the best. The higher competition bar you set, the better you'll be.
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« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »

Here are the variables with clubs:

1) Athletes and families willing to pay for extra instruction (i.e. - self-motivation and family support)
2) Regional Area for stud partners (i.e. - Iron Sharpens Iron)
3) Variable Techniques (i.e. - More tools in the tool box)
4) Since it is a business year-round training (i.e. - Freestyle and Greco  -which statistically shows a common variable in NCAA All-Americans)
5) Location (How many champs per 1,000 wrestlers within 100 square miles)
6) Confidence and attitude gained from being around other successful athletes

I think you will find they are all pretty good around the state when considering the variables.

Non-Club Successful Competitors-  Dedication, Brains, Athletics, Strength, and Muscle:Mass Ratio, and good partners in the room who may or may not train in a club.

It is like anything in life the more you do something and the more discipline you dedicate, the better you become.   It's like the cliche goes- Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work.  Some have the drive, talent, and family knowledge to do it on their own, while others need a personal trainer and a talented team to reach their goals.

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