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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2017, 08:28:05 AM »


It is the coach.......
Just stop lying to yourselves


What do we think the #1 thing is a coach can do for a program? I can make a very compelling case for that thing being recruit. Quality in = Quality Out, with very few exceptions. If "money" brings in better wrestlers, the team will get better. Period.

Not that Cael is a great example, as he is once-in-a-generation in nearly every way, but if he could build a program regardless of resources, don't you think he would have done it at his alma mater, where he was the head coach? Instead, he went somewhere with more money and a more fertile recruiting base, and lo-and-behold, we have Penn State in it's current incarnation.

Money matters.

Barry's recruiting woes had nothing to do with money.  I do agree, however, that there is a correlation in general.  He simply got out recruited, didn't recruit, lied about a recruit, or incorrectly evaluated a recruit when it came down to the Hodge winners and national champions from WI during his tenure - Hartung, Konrad, B Askren, M Askren, and Dieringer.  3 Hodges and 10 national titles out of that group alone and that's not listing the AA's.
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2017, 10:49:33 AM »

Not going to argue who he lost; but they weren't Hodges when he "lost" them. Perhaps he was outcoached. Either way, same result. I'm with you, Barou. We have been outcoached, be it recruiting ro what goes on the mat. On the other hand, everyone's been outcoached but Penn State.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 11:07:32 AM »

Who thinks there's a direct, strong correlation between money in a program and recruiting because ...
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 06:32:31 PM »

Obviously it makes a difference. Seemingly THE difference in PSU, Cornell, among others.
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 07:18:50 AM »

We all know facility's make a differance in pulling in blue chip athletes so I think Ohio may be winning the money race. Ohio is wrapping up constructing of a state of the art 25,000 square foot stand alone wrestling facility. They have raised 7.2 million to bulid the best wrestling facility in the world according to Tom Ryan. He said the facility was designed to have everything a wrestler could ever want or need. He also said the facitilty wont win matches, its to insure the athletes how much they care about them.
So IMO I would declare Ohio the new winner.
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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 08:37:03 AM »

I am not sure who is winning, but both PSU and OSU are spending a ton of money. 

It was recently reported PSU offered Jarod Verkleeren no actually scholarship money but offered him a 4 year-$50,000/year contract with the NLWC after college.  If that is actually within NCAA rules, that is a huge advantage as for the teams without that money, the 9.9 scholarships is very limiting.

I question how that can be within NCAA rules and if I would even want the badger to do that if the club had that much money to throw around.
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« Reply #21 on: Today at 05:56:39 AM »

I am not sure who is winning, but both PSU and OSU are spending a ton of money. 

It was recently reported PSU offered Jarod Verkleeren no actually scholarship money but offered him a 4 year-$50,000/year contract with the NLWC after college.  If that is actually within NCAA rules, that is a huge advantage as for the teams without that money, the 9.9 scholarships is very limiting.

I question how that can be within NCAA rules and if I would even want the badger to do that if the club had that much money to throw around.
I agree with you.
I am not sure what the role of the RTC's will be in the future becuase of how cloudy it makes the rules. What it is doing similar to football is creating a huge divid between the elite coaches and programs and the rest of college program's. On a selfish note it would be fun if the University of Wisconsin wanted to get in the game and put a top ten elite program together. Great coaches in 2017 are great fund raisers and recruiters, so with out a great coach you will fall behind for a long time. If the Badgers wait much longer they will be unable to ever get a great coach.
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« Reply #22 on: Today at 07:15:53 AM »

It would be nice to transition to a new coach. Our school must be happy with the status quo. I'd rather lead in research than in sports, though. You don't get a ton of C Medberys out there.
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