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« on: July 07, 2017, 08:23:04 AM »

With McIntosh being the heir apperent to Barry Alverez, is this good news for UW wrestling? I believe McIntosh was a wrestler at Pewaukee.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2017/07/05/chris-mcintosh-promoted-uws-deputy-athletic-director/453718001/
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 09:15:54 AM »

Well, I don't think it can hurt the UW Wrestling, maybe he will actually care about the team getting better.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 10:32:25 AM »

I'd love to think we'll start making wrestling a priority; but even with a decent team we get crowds 0f 100.
Mc was one big fellah.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 11:13:40 AM »

I'd love to think we'll start making wrestling a priority; but even with a decent team we get crowds 0f 100.
Mc was one big fellah.

Very true.  That's why once again it leads us to Askren.  Askren would care and promote events!  He would get crowds there and promote the heck out of Badger wrestling if he was the guy.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 11:38:56 AM »

I'd love to think we'll start making wrestling a priority; but even with a decent team we get crowds 0f 100.
Mc was one big fellah.

Very true.  That's why once again it leads us to Askren.  Askren would care and promote events!  He would get crowds there and promote the heck out of Badger wrestling if he was the guy.

Hartland and Pewaukee are neighbors.  Sounds like a match.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 01:00:17 PM »

I'd love to think we'll start making wrestling a priority; but even with a decent team we get crowds 0f 100.
Mc was one big fellah.

Very true.  That's why once again it leads us to Askren.  Askren would care and promote events!  He would get crowds there and promote the heck out of Badger wrestling if he was the guy.

I believe that, too. But, like Npope pointed out, there are many who are happy with the way things are; compared to the way the might otherwise be (say, if Ben didn't work out).
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 03:06:43 PM »

Didn't mac play football in college? Wasn't he hand picked by Barry A.  Nothing will change!
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 03:44:47 PM »

So, are you saying hiring Ben Askren would result in crowds ten times bgger than they are presently?  You have a competitive Big Ten dual team.  You have individula NCAA All Americas.  You have an NCAA finalist good enough to be a Champ.  You hire Ben Askren (or anyone else) and THAT is going to convince people to attend?  I don't buy it.  
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 08:25:31 PM »

With McIntosh being the heir apperent to Barry Alverez, is this good news for UW wrestling? I believe McIntosh was a wrestler at Pewaukee.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2017/07/05/chris-mcintosh-promoted-uws-deputy-athletic-director/453718001/

1994 heavyweight state champion.  McIntosh was Pewaukee's first wrestling state champion ever. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2017, 07:36:47 AM »

So, are you saying hiring Ben Askren would result in crowds ten times bgger than they are presently?  You have a competitive Big Ten dual team.  You have individula NCAA All Americs.  You have an NCAA finalist good enough to be a Champ.  You hire Ben Askren (or anyone else) and THAT is going to convince people to attend?  I don't buy it. 

Just hiring the guy doesn't bring people in. He seems to enjoy the promo and competition parts. More importantly, he's pretty good at both.

I'm a little biased because I've seen Ben wrestle since he was in middle school. I'll also be the first to admit I didn't appreciate some of his tomfoolery in high school. I think he'd be the man for this job. I just think a slower transition might be in order. However JRob may have ended up; I can remember when MN wrestling was kinda where WI is right now. JRob promoted and recruited/worked them to a top-notch team.

You hire Askren and you get better recruits, IMO. He has much more in-state faith in him and you let him coach them. He will provide for a more seamless transition to FS/GR. Ben wasn't just funky defense, he was always trying to score. I think many less-than-happy Badger fans hate our wait-and-see style and want to see more scoring attempts; even if that means taking it on the chin at first.

It's a risk, either way. But one that I support. I know Alvarez reads everything I post, so there ya go. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2017, 08:58:59 AM »

So, are you saying hiring Ben Askren would result in crowds ten times bgger than they are presently?  You have a competitive Big Ten dual team.  You have individula NCAA All Americs.  You have an NCAA finalist good enough to be a Champ.  You hire Ben Askren (or anyone else) and THAT is going to convince people to attend?  I don't buy it.  

Just hiring the guy doesn't bring people in. He seems to enjoy the promo and competition parts. More importantly, he's pretty good at both.

I'm a little biased because I've seen Ben wrestle since he was in middle school. I'll also be the first to admit I didn't appreciate some of his tomfoolery in high school. I think he'd be the man for this job. I just think a slower transition might be in order. However JRob may have ended up; I can remember when MN wrestling was kinda where WI is right now. JRob promoted and recruited/worked them to a top-notch team.



Your comparing Ben (at this point of his carrier) to Coach Robinson is as far off as it gets. Before becoming the head coach at MN Coach Robinson had 80x more coaching experience and connections then Ben currently has. First Jay Robinson after completing college served his county as an officer in an Army Ranger unit in Vietnam from 1969-1971 where he learned leadership and selflessness. In 1972 while wrestling for the Army he made the Olympic team, he also wrestled on 4 world teams where he won 4 titles. He also served as an Olympic coach in 1976,1980,1984,1988 a long with coaching a few Pan Am teams. While gaining all that coaching experience he also severed as the Iowa asst coach from 1976-1984 where they won 7 national titles while he learned how to coach and win from the legend of all college coaches.  
Jay Robinson sitting in a blue chippers living room his first few years as a head coach would be very different then Ben sitting in that same room. As a dad my first question would be since you haven't really coached at the college level beyond a couple years while you were training to make the Olympic team How many D1 AA have come out of your privet club so far? 2nd Question how do you plan on working with the faculty to insure class room success? Jay Robinson could knock those questions out of the park on day one because he was "prepared and qualified" for the job.
Look I think Ben could be a fabulous head coach someday if he chose to change his carrier path. But no Athletic Director making 500k-1.5million is ever going to take a chance of losing there job over an untested none qualified head coach, so can we please stop with the cartoon plan.
This idea reminds me of a scene out of the movie "Cop Land" when the old wily detective says to the local small town sheriff (who was kind of a dreamer) your plan is the plan of a child.  



You hire Askren and you get better recruits, IMO. He has much more in-state faith in him and you let him coach them. He will provide for a more seamless transition to FS/GR. Ben wasn't just funky defense, he was always trying to score. I think many less-than-happy Badger fans hate our wait-and-see style and want to see more scoring attempts; even if that means taking it on the chin at first.

It's a risk, either way. But one that I support. I know Alvarez reads everything I post, so there ya go. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2017, 09:47:07 AM »

So, are you saying hiring Ben Askren would result in crowds ten times bgger than they are presently?  You have a competitive Big Ten dual team.  You have individula NCAA All Americs.  You have an NCAA finalist good enough to be a Champ.  You hire Ben Askren (or anyone else) and THAT is going to convince people to attend?  I don't buy it.  

Just hiring the guy doesn't bring people in. He seems to enjoy the promo and competition parts. More importantly, he's pretty good at both.

I'm a little biased because I've seen Ben wrestle since he was in middle school. I'll also be the first to admit I didn't appreciate some of his tomfoolery in high school. I think he'd be the man for this job. I just think a slower transition might be in order. However JRob may have ended up; I can remember when MN wrestling was kinda where WI is right now. JRob promoted and recruited/worked them to a top-notch team.



Your comparing Ben (at this point of his carrier) to Coach Robinson is as far off as it gets. Before becoming the head coach at MN Coach Robinson had 80x more coaching experience and connections then Ben currently has. First Jay Robinson after completing college served his county as an officer in an Army Ranger unit in Vietnam from 1969-1971 where he learned leadership and selflessness. In 1972 while wrestling for the Army he made the Olympic team, he also wrestled on 4 world teams where he won 4 titles. He also served as an Olympic coach in 1976,1980,1984,1988 a long with coaching a few Pan Am teams. While gaining all that coaching experience he also severed as the Iowa asst coach from 1976-1984 where they won 7 national titles while he learned how to coach and win from the legend of all college coaches.  
Jay Robinson sitting in a blue chippers living room his first few years as a head coach would be very different then Ben sitting in that same room. As a dad my first question would be since you haven't really coached at the college level beyond a couple years while you were training to make the Olympic team How many D1 AA have come out of your privet club so far? 2nd Question how do you plan on working with the faculty to insure class room success? Jay Robinson could knock those questions out of the park on day one because he was "prepared and qualified" for the job.
Look I think Ben could be a fabulous head coach someday if he chose to change his carrier path. But no Athletic Director making 500k-1.5million is ever going to take a chance of losing there job over an untested none qualified head coach, so can we please stop with the cartoon plan.
This idea reminds me of a scene out of the movie "Cop Land" when the old wily detective says to the local small town sheriff (who was kind of a dreamer) your plan is the plan of a child.  



You hire Askren and you get better recruits, IMO. He has much more in-state faith in him and you let him coach them. He will provide for a more seamless transition to FS/GR. Ben wasn't just funky defense, he was always trying to score. I think many less-than-happy Badger fans hate our wait-and-see style and want to see more scoring attempts; even if that means taking it on the chin at first.

It's a risk, either way. But one that I support. I know Alvarez reads everything I post, so there ya go. Smiley

Just comparing the promo edge. Robinson must be from one big county.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2017, 09:52:39 AM »

I admitted to bias. Just dreaming out loud.

It's not that I hate BD. I just despise our "laid back" style.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2017, 11:45:58 AM »

Just an FYI jrob never served in Vietnam.  He was slated to leave with his platoon to go over to Vietnam but got excused to wrestle at the world championships for the U.S. after he won the national championships.  He was a leutenaint as an army ranger at the time.  He has a really neat story and you can watch it on his website.  Jrob says in it how much it bothered him not to go with his platoon to Vietnam.  He even offered to give up his rank to go over to Vietnam but the army said no.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2017, 11:49:25 AM »

I admitted to bias. Just dreaming out loud.

It's not that I hate BD. I just despise our "laid back" style.
I would have to imagine Mcintosh getting promoted would help the wrestling program. How many college AD's were high school wrestling state champs? I would think BD is safe as long as BA is around but a relatively young AD might want to push the wresting program especially with an AD that understands and cares about the sport. Unless BD learns how to fund raise his seasons may be limited.
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