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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2017, 10:24:46 AM »

That would be ideal assuming he could make the cut. I wasn't sure if that was possible with him wrestling 132 this year. I assumed in 2 years he wouldn't be any smaller...or it would be a tough cut.

Why don't the Badgers recruit the very best senior 113 pounder out there? Recruiting some guy who is going to have to suck down (on his best day) to 125 is a losing proposition - we have seen it multiple times here at the UW. Having a kid cut hard to make the light weights is a recipe for failure. If you can't get the premier senior 125 pounder out there who is lifer at 125, so-be-it. But it does no one any good to bring in a 133 pounder and try to suck him down - on his best day he will simply be a journeyman. Better off to bring in a "lesser" wrestler and try to develop him into a reasonable DI wrestler.

A kid that weighs 113 as a senior is too small for a college 125.  You are better off recruiting a 120 or 126.  Bet the top 125s walk around weight is 135+.  A 113 in HS would have to be a freak to compete in college.  Montini had a really good 113 about 3 years ago go to Stanford, I have yet to see him in the line-up.  They have a Freshman 125 this year in that spot who I think coincidentally was also from Ill.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2017, 11:05:03 AM »

That would be ideal assuming he could make the cut. I wasn't sure if that was possible with him wrestling 132 this year. I assumed in 2 years he wouldn't be any smaller...or it would be a tough cut.

Why don't the Badgers recruit the very best senior 113 pounder out there? Recruiting some guy who is going to have to suck down (on his best day) to 125 is a losing proposition - we have seen it multiple times here at the UW. Having a kid cut hard to make the light weights is a recipe for failure. If you can't get the premier senior 125 pounder out there who is lifer at 125, so-be-it. But it does no one any good to bring in a 133 pounder and try to suck him down - on his best day he will simply be a journeyman. Better off to bring in a "lesser" wrestler and try to develop him into a reasonable DI wrestler.

A kid that weighs 113 as a senior is too small for a college 125.  You are better off recruiting a 120 or 126.  Bet the top 125s walk around weight is 135+.  A 113 in HS would have to be a freak to compete in college.  Montini had a really good 113 about 3 years ago go to Stanford, I have yet to see him in the line-up.  They have a Freshman 125 this year in that spot who I think coincidentally was also from Ill.

Maybe we are suffering from different assumptions. I am thinking a senior 113 pounder will likely show up on campus the next fall walking around at about 130-135 (I was a 119 pounder in my senior year and showed up in the fall at 142). Put him in a redshirt year and he comes back at a solid 135. That would seem to be a reasonable cut to me; any more and we start seeing images of the walking dead like the Kelihers. I think my point is that getting one of the really good 120 pounders that will stay at 125 for a couple of years is tough to do (they are going to some of the best programs), and the Badgers have demonstrated a willingness to have a kid cut like crazy to make a weight...and then fizzle. Better off getting a smaller kid and let him grow into the weight, IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2017, 07:26:12 PM »

Coaches are constantly looking for career 125s. It's a brutal weight to recruit because you want to focus on development, but the weight cut can get tough. I would imagine most guys walk 140+ for sure. My 5th year I was 145-148, and most big 10 guys felt bigger. You're never safe even recruiting 113's. Growth can and will happen to a lot of guys given the nutrition and weight programs. However there are other guys who are just at that weight without a ton of effort (Zach Sanders, Angel Escobedo, Brandon Precin are ones I competed with who come to mind). Just in general if you are shorter it's easier to get the weight off. However getting a good long lower weight has tons of upside in college wrestling, but the cut to 125 can hault or even deteriorate their development. I think the goal is to always have one smaller guy as a backup for the first few years who can grow into the weight. I just don't think there are a lot of them to go around at the D1 level. Some of the smaller guys end up going the non-D1 route - whether that is because they want to compete right away and not put in all the work to only get a couple years of opportunity, or whatever other reason, I don't know. But the pool is small to pick from, and lots of teams with roster restrictions struggle with this.
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2017, 08:52:26 AM »

Hillger won 3-0. The guy he wrestled was ranked #7 in the country at heavyweight.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IHooQXZiUHE&feature=youtu.be

Nice win.
Agreed will be interesting to see if he redshirts or not. I am assuming he will. Is Stone going to be a JR?
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2017, 12:10:31 AM »

The good news is that we have a blue chip heavyweight coming in and I assume
Coach Brandvold will be working with him just like he did with Medbery.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2017, 12:15:51 PM »

Don't be surprised if Hemauer goes 174. I believe he could have wrestled 170 this year if he wanted to.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2017, 12:41:38 PM »

Don't be surprised if Hemauer goes 174. I believe he could have wrestled 170 this year if he wanted to.
I would be very surprised if he did this year. Just because I think he will redshirt like all the freshman coming in.
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2017, 07:28:36 AM »

Konrath is now in the semifinals of junior folkstyle nationals at 132. He won 3 yesterday to get where he is now.

He has been wrestling 132 in the last few tournaments he has been in, so not sure if he will be at 125 or 133 in college.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2017, 07:53:22 AM »

If he's not 125 that will be a whole for us. Hopefully they find a couple lighter weights this year. That seems to be our weak point now.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2017, 08:48:04 AM »

Konrath has bonus points in every match. Now in the finals
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2017, 11:26:33 AM »

http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/PortalPlayer.jsp?TIM=1491063508443&twSessionId=zuexfactvowqckc&videoId=369628076
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2017, 11:51:49 AM »

If Paul Konrath is wrestling 132 already I presume he will be at 133 (or higher) in college.
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2017, 12:06:47 PM »

Great interview. 
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2017, 03:18:51 PM »

Konrath won in the finals 5-1.  He has done well in a lot of national tournaments the last few years.

Folkstyle Nationals was maybe a little watered down with Flonationals also this weekend, but still very competitive.  Barnett and Sharenbrock, both Wisconsin high school champs, both finished 4th.
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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2017, 06:09:56 PM »

Konrath won in the finals 5-1.  He has done well in a lot of national tournaments the last few years.

Folkstyle Nationals was maybe a little watered down with Flonationals also this weekend, but still very competitive.  Barnett and Sharenbrock, both Wisconsin high school champs, both finished 4th.

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