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Title: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: TomM on January 05, 2017, 10:33:25 AM
Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
http://www.wiwrestling.com/badgers-bring-jimenez-out-of-redshirt/


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Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 05, 2017, 10:54:54 AM
This could be big for us in B1G tourney and the NCAAs. Johnny isn't a national champ but could easily win a couple matches at nationals.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 05, 2017, 11:02:16 AM
The Open Mat has Johnny Jimenez ranked #20

http://theopenmat.com/college-rankings/ncaa-di-individual-college-wrestling-rankings-january-4-2017/60937


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Ghetto on January 05, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
I was just looking at the Flo rankings. I thought Jimenez would be in the 17-20 range. Hope Stickley can get healthy.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: mkm13 on January 05, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Hope Stickley can get healthy.

Stickley and Ritter.  They never mentioned the severity of Ritter's injury.  Hopefully that is not a sign of a significant knee injury.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 05, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
I'm guessing they are just being cautious and will have them back soon. Nice to see the staff let us know what is going on.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Ghetto on January 05, 2017, 11:18:09 AM
Hope Stickley can get healthy.

Stickley and Ritter.  They never mentioned the severity of Ritter's injury.  Hopefully that is not a sign of a significant knee injury.

Exactly. Forgot about Ritter.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 05, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
I was just looking at the Flo rankings. I thought Jimenez would be in the 17-20 range. Hope Stickley can get healthy.

Flo Rankings were from December 31. Most of the rankings probably were assuming Jimenez was still redshirting

Eli Stickley at #20. Impressive !


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: roughandtough on January 05, 2017, 11:54:58 AM
My question is why pull the red shirt?


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Ghetto on January 05, 2017, 11:58:34 AM
Rankings came out yesterday. I meant I thought that he would fit in the 17-20 range in the current rankings.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: shouldvewrestled on January 05, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
My question is why pull the red shirt?

Mine too, if all they're looking for is a possible win or two at nationals, doesn't seem like a great reason to pull the redshirt.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: npope on January 05, 2017, 12:14:14 PM
My question is why pull the red shirt?

Mine too, if all they're looking for is a possible win or two at nationals, doesn't seem like a great reason to pull the redshirt.

Mine too. I don't see much advantage for the team in doing this. Lantz and JJ are close - likely to score roughly comparable points down the road. The team isn't fighting for much of anything so a few extra points here and there won't matter. The only thing I can think of is that JJ himself wants to compete and told the coach that he was coming out.

But...let's go JJ!


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Barou on January 05, 2017, 12:15:03 PM
My question is why pull the red shirt?

Mine too, if all they're looking for is a possible win or two at nationals, doesn't seem like a great reason to pull the redshirt.

I questioned why they didn't RS his freshman year with his chances being almost zero to qualify for nationals and some posters took offense to that.  


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: roughandtough on January 05, 2017, 12:22:19 PM
I know we don't know and probably never will know the reasoning behind pulling it we can only speculate.  Lantz weight issues?  Johnny got that itch.  Johnny not planning on sticking around UW for 5 years. 


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 05, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
IMO the difference is pretty big. The match was close between them but that is because they practice all the time. I don't think Jens would be borderline nationals whereas JJ is already ranked after 1 tourney.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: npope on January 05, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
IMO the difference is pretty big. The match was close between them but that is because they practice all the time. I don't think Jens would be borderline nationals whereas JJ is already ranked after 1 tourney.

That couple of point margin of victory differential was about the same as when they wrestled in HS. So, I don't see that differential having changed very much over time. Will JJ have a lot more success in the line up? Guess we'll see, but he was about .500 last year, wasn't he?


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 05, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
Jimenez was 18-15. Lantz is under 500 this year. The margin of victory between the wrestlers isn't what matters. What matters is who wins more matches for the Badgers.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: NoFear on January 05, 2017, 03:11:38 PM
I wish my kid wrestled for the badgers. It would be awesome when the plan changes from week to week.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: mkm13 on January 05, 2017, 03:26:11 PM
Hard to be too critical unless you know the entire story.  Did Lantz get hurt?  Did Jimenez decide he didn't want to redshirt anymore?  Is he on pace to graduate in 4 years?  I have no idea, and I don't think anyone else that has decided to be negative does either. 

I hope he ends up having a good year. 


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Jimmy on January 05, 2017, 03:36:15 PM
Does this make jj a jr. Athletically? Even tho it is two half seasons and one full one


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: NoFear on January 05, 2017, 03:58:29 PM
There isn't any half seasons if you wrestle varsity matches under the team you lose a season of eligibility.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: scfcat on January 05, 2017, 09:56:25 PM
So does this mean we see Jens at Lacrosse or Augsburg next year?


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 05, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
Could Badgers have Konrath coming in who is supposed to be pretty good.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Big Steve on January 06, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
I wish my kid wrestled for the badgers. It would be awesome when the plan changes from week to week.

I bet you would be really excited to have your kid wrestle for Ohio State or Oklahoma State because they have pulled plenty of redshirt wrestlers as well.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: DocWrestling on January 06, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
This had to be a JJ decision.  No way the coaches made him do this.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: leg turk on January 06, 2017, 10:40:10 AM
This had to be a JJ decision.  No way the coaches made him do this.

I agree, Barry Davis wouldn't make him do this.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Ghetto on January 06, 2017, 10:49:29 AM
Pulling a red-shirt is nothing. Programs do it all the time. Penn State at some point this season will pull Mark Hall's, and they don't need to in order to win a national title.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Barou on January 06, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
Pulling a red-shirt is nothing. Programs do it all the time. Penn State at some point this season will pull Mark Hall's, and they don't need to in order to win a national title.

I'll put a wager on that.  Hall's RS won't get pulled. 


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Ghetto on January 06, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
I will bet you an ice cream that it does.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Barou on January 06, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
I will bet you an ice cream that it does.

You got it!


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: CLC FAN on January 06, 2017, 02:19:41 PM
A gentleman's agreeement!  Huzzah!


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 07, 2017, 08:09:20 AM
Looks like pulling the redshirt was a great idea.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: stbird on January 10, 2017, 08:14:42 AM
Wow, looks like Jimenez and Ruschel wrestled awesome! 


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: bigG on January 10, 2017, 09:33:35 AM
Maybe these glimpses of greatness prompted all this. Strike while the iron's hot, maybe. JJ most-improved, so far, IMHO. We'll see. Hopes to see more, though!


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 10, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
He has a tough weekend though. He has Lambert from Nebraska and Lizak from Minnesota. If Johnny goes 2-0 your looking at a very high seed at BIG Tens. Both will be tough matches though.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: bigG on January 10, 2017, 09:44:33 AM
Yeah, but he does look to be peaking at the time. He's really looked like he's at another level. Great to see this kind of growth. Kinda goin' for it. Hope he gets it. I'm excited for him. Hard enough to bear the brunt; but he's coming along really well. Something for Badger fans to get jacked about. I think if he wins one of the these matches; he'll be looking good. Sure has shown he can hang with the big guys, though. Be fun to watch.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 10, 2017, 12:56:58 PM
Yeah, but he does look to be peaking at the time. He's really looked like he's at another level. Great to see this kind of growth. Kinda goin' for it. Hope he gets it. I'm excited for him. Hard enough to bear the brunt; but he's coming along really well. Something for Badger fans to get jacked about. I think if he wins one of the these matches; he'll be looking good. Sure has shown he can hang with the big guys, though. Be fun to watch.
But Wisconsin wrestlers don't get better. Don't you remember bigG?


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: Jimmy on January 10, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
Lantz beat lambert at university nationals. IMO jj has an excellent chance to also! And yes I know they are different styles.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: npope on January 10, 2017, 05:17:44 PM
Okay, I know that rankings don't matter for much of anything (at this point of the season) but this week's Intermat rankings came out and JJ is #20 and Jose Rodriguez from tOSU (the guy JJ just destroyed by a major decision this past weekend) is at #12 (he dropped about three spots). The guy doing the rankings really needs to get his head out of his butt.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: bigG on January 11, 2017, 11:25:09 AM
Yeah, but he does look to be peaking at the time. He's really looked like he's at another level. Great to see this kind of growth. Kinda goin' for it. Hope he gets it. I'm excited for him. Hard enough to bear the brunt; but he's coming along really well. Something for Badger fans to get jacked about. I think if he wins one of the these matches; he'll be looking good. Sure has shown he can hang with the big guys, though. Be fun to watch.
But Wisconsin wrestlers don't get better. Don't you remember bigG?

No. Quote where I said that.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: wrastle63 on January 11, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
Yeah, but he does look to be peaking at the time. He's really looked like he's at another level. Great to see this kind of growth. Kinda goin' for it. Hope he gets it. I'm excited for him. Hard enough to bear the brunt; but he's coming along really well. Something for Badger fans to get jacked about. I think if he wins one of the these matches; he'll be looking good. Sure has shown he can hang with the big guys, though. Be fun to watch.
But Wisconsin wrestlers don't get better. Don't you remember bigG?

No. Quote where I said that.
I am being sarcastic. Knight says that Wisconsin wrestlers don't develop. Pretty obvious to see the growth of the kids on the team this year.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: bigG on January 11, 2017, 11:50:20 AM
Maybe he was just alluding to our lack of "next level" development. Howe was our last national brute. Hopefully Zeke is our next champ. Even though Howe was predictable; he did keep pressure on. Jordan should do just fine. Seems the longer the season rolls on, the tougher that weight is looking for Zeke.

If you have an issue with Knight, why ya gotta quote me and ask if I remember something I didn't say? Don't throw me in the middle of your bicker with Knight. I think you're both good folks; but stir the turd on your own dime. Figuratively, of course.


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: OneEyedFatMan on January 11, 2017, 06:11:13 PM
Zeke isn't wrestling well now, true dat....but he's a gamer. I'm optimistic for him now....maybe the weight cut is dragging him down but he'll get that second wind.

BigG you are very correct in the reference to the "next level" development! Sure some of these guys have done some improving over these last 20 years, but the majority don't make next level changes.  As I mentioned before that I don't think the athletes are bad, I think the staff is doing a luke warm job. And I'm saying this nicely.  As far as Zeke though, I don't think he medals as high as he did last year. I feel he won't make it pass any of these guys if they are on his side of the bracket. (Logan Massa, Chandler Rogers, Anthony Valencia, Vincenzo Joseph). If he falls in rankings after the Big 10s and lands on IMAR's side then he most definitely won't do as good!
Wrasstle63 is trying to get as many people as possible on his side, so he doesn't look so delusional!  ;D Wrassle63 you don't want to forum box with me by yourself, because I've already KO'd you or you have KO'd yourself with those delusional positive-negative or negative-positive comments.  C'mon man!


Title: Re: Badgers bring Jimenez out of redshirt | Badgers shake it up to duel Buckeyes
Post by: OneEyedFatMan on January 12, 2017, 06:41:59 PM
Workin a butt-load of OT...will drop in soon tho!
Kind of bummed about the number of our guys weighing in for these tournaments.....

Zeke isn't wrestling well now, true dat....but he's a gamer. I'm optimistic for him now....maybe the weight cut is dragging him down but he'll get that second wind.

BigG you are very correct in the reference to the "next level" development! Sure some of these guys have done some improving over these last 20 years, but the majority don't make next level changes.  As I mentioned before that I don't think the athletes are bad, I think the staff is doing a luke warm job. And I'm saying this nicely.  As far as Zeke though, I don't think he medals as high as he did last year. I feel he won't make it pass any of these guys if they are on his side of the bracket. (Logan Massa, Chandler Rogers, Anthony Valencia, Vincenzo Joseph). If he falls in rankings after the Big 10s and lands on IMAR's side then he most definitely won't do as good!
Wrasstle63 is trying to get as many people as possible on his side, so he doesn't look so delusional!  ;D Wrassle63 you don't want to forum box with me by yourself, because I've already KO'd you or you have KO'd yourself with those delusional positive-negative or negative-positive comments.  C'mon man!
What's up brotha!? You checked out practices or matches?